Discussion of 1 Timothy 2:12 -- By: Philip B. Payne

Journal: Journal for Biblical Manhood and Womanhood
Volume: JBMW 15:2 (Fall 2010)
Article: Discussion of 1 Timothy 2:12
Author: Philip B. Payne

Discussion of 1 Timothy 2:12

with Philip B. Payne and
Andreas J. Köstenberger

Philip B. Payne

Founder and President
Linguist’s Software, Inc.
Edmonds, Washington

Andreas J. Köstenberger

Professor of New Testament and Biblical Theology
Director of Ph.D. Studies
Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary
Wake Forest, North Carolina

Editor’s Note: In 2005, the second edition of Women in the Church: An Analysis and Application of 1 Timothy 2:9-15 (Baker Academic) was published, and it contained Andreas Köstenberger’s watershed essay on the syntax of 1 Timothy 2:12.1 In short, Köstenberger argues that οὐδέ in 1 Timothy 2:12 joins two related but distinct ideas. In 2008, Philip Payne published an article in New Testament Studies contesting Köstenberger’s earlier thesis. Köstenberger issued two rejoinders in this journal—a brief one in 2008 and a longer one in 2009.2 What follows below is one last interaction between Payne and Köstenberger on the syntax of 1 Timothy 2:12. Payne’s surrejoinder is first, and Köstenberger’s is second. Payne interacts primarily with Köstenberger’s 2009 rejoinder.

Surrejoinder by Philip B. Payne

Professor Köstenberger’s rejoinder sixteen times misrepresents my New Testament Studiesοὐδέ” article, henceforth cited as “NTS.”

(1) Köstenberger claims, “Philip Payne has reiterated his earlier contention that Paul in 1 Tim 2:12 forbids women only from assuming improper authority over men in the church.” Yet my NTS article never states that 1 Tim 2:12 refers only to “improper” authority. All early examples of αὐθεντεῖν with a clearly identifiable meaning related to authority refer to assumption of undelegated authority. However, αὐθεντεῖν does not necessarily entail “improper” assumption of authority, as BGU 1208 shows (see my Man and Woman, One in Christ, 365-70). Not even Baldwin (Women in the Church, 51) includes the meaning Köstenberger alleges, “exercise authority,” in “the range of meanings that might be appropriate in 1 Timothy 2:12.”

(2) Köstenberger also says, ...

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